Hi: Thanks so much for setting this up! I have a question, regarding the comment made by Tom (?) in the tie-dyed shirt (sorry I didn't remember your name): I didn't understand his point about transposing something in Finale, for example, that is in C major, that when it's scored for alto sax, it will be in three sharps, but it isn't really (?). I understand the transposition of Eb instruments, but didn't understand the notation issues he was describing, but ran out of time to ask for clarification. Could someone please explain the point? Sorry to be so thick, and thanks in advance. Steve Lindeman
If you write music that is not very much rooted in one key, it is preferred to write in "open key". That means that all instruments have no key signatures, even on the transposed score. You can achieve that by selecting "chromatic transposition" for the transposed instruments. The problem is that chord symbols from e.g. a rhythm section part are not transposed automatically if copied to an instrument of other transposition (as of Finale 2008). However, I heard that in Finale 2009 this disadvantage is fixed (don't take my word for it, I didn't get the update). I guess the update has some advantages after all!
Steve, That was Todd Anderson. You can reach him at www.toddanderson.net and he can explain. I'll email him too and get him to log in on this subject. -candace
Todd Anderson here. Using chromatic transposition instead of key transposition means that all the accidentals are written on the part and there are none in the key signature. So an alto part written in concert C, when transposed, will still have a key signature with no accidentals (C) but every F#, C# and G# will be written in the part.
Thanks so much Todd (sorry I got your name wrong), Candace, and Jonas I for your speedy replies. That certainly answered all my questions, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks again for taking the time to clarify things; I really appreciate it. All the best, Steve Lindeman
Am I the only one who uses Sibelius (4)? In any case, I have a problem w/my bari parts in Sibelius scores. In concert form they are in the bass clef, as I prefer. But when I toggle to transposed score, the bari part stays in bass clef instead of moving to treble clef -- not a good result. Interestingly, the separate part for the bari sax does not have this problem, although it stays in treble clef for both concert part and transposed part. Any ideas how to fix this problem? I've changed clefs in my transposed score, but this doesn't always work. Thanks, Brett
I know Idan is working in Sibelius...maybe you can chat with him about it? I sent him an email to look at your question on the post. If you want his email, let me know and I'll send it to you...I'm at candacesax@gmail.com -c
Hi Brett. I'm using Sibelius 3 but maybe I can help by telling you how I overcome the challenge of the Bari in the software. First: if you use Bari and then transpose it will go one sixth up instead of an octave and sixth - very weird. Secondly - there is an option to write for a jazz Bari. An idea to transpose and change the clef might be - add another Bari in treble clef to your chart - then copy the part from the bass clef Bari and then erase the Bass clef Bari from your chart. Hope that helps. Idan
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Hi: Thanks so much for setting this up! I have a question, regarding the comment made by Tom (?) in the tie-dyed shirt (sorry I didn't remember your name): I didn't understand his point about transposing something in Finale, for example, that is in C major, that when it's scored for alto sax, it will be in three sharps, but it isn't really (?). I understand the transposition of Eb instruments, but didn't understand the notation issues he was describing, but ran out of time to ask for clarification. Could someone please explain the point? Sorry to be so thick, and thanks in advance. Steve Lindeman
If you write music that is not very much rooted in one key, it is preferred to write in "open key". That means that all instruments have no key signatures, even on the transposed score. You can achieve that by selecting "chromatic transposition" for the transposed instruments. The problem is that chord symbols from e.g. a rhythm section part are not transposed automatically if copied to an instrument of other transposition (as of Finale 2008). However, I heard that in Finale 2009 this disadvantage is fixed (don't take my word for it, I didn't get the update). I guess the update has some advantages after all!
Steve, That was Todd Anderson. You can reach him at www.toddanderson.net and he can explain. I'll email him too and get him to log in on this subject. -candace
Hey Steve
Todd Anderson here. Using chromatic transposition instead of key transposition means that all the accidentals are written on the part and there are none in the key signature. So an alto part written in concert C, when transposed, will still have a key signature with no accidentals (C) but every F#, C# and G# will be written in the part.
Thanks so much Todd (sorry I got your name wrong), Candace, and Jonas I for your speedy replies. That certainly answered all my questions, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks again for taking the time to clarify things; I really appreciate it. All the best, Steve Lindeman
Am I the only one who uses Sibelius (4)? In any case, I have a problem w/my bari parts in Sibelius scores. In concert form they are in the bass clef, as I prefer. But when I toggle to transposed score, the bari part stays in bass clef instead of moving to treble clef -- not a good result. Interestingly, the separate part for the bari sax does not have this problem, although it stays in treble clef for both concert part and transposed part.
Any ideas how to fix this problem? I've changed clefs in my transposed score, but this doesn't always work.
Thanks, Brett
Hey Brett,
I know Idan is working in Sibelius...maybe you can chat with him about it? I sent him an email to look at your question on the post. If you want his email, let me know and I'll send it to you...I'm at candacesax@gmail.com -c
Hi Brett.
I'm using Sibelius 3 but maybe I can help by telling you how I overcome the challenge of the Bari in the software.
First: if you use Bari and then transpose it will go one sixth up instead of an octave and sixth - very weird.
Secondly - there is an option to write for a jazz Bari.
An idea to transpose and change the clef might be - add another Bari in treble clef to your chart - then copy the part from the bass clef Bari and then erase the Bass clef Bari from your chart.
Hope that helps.
Idan
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